Buonasera Signori

Ho una domanda che qualcuno sul forum del gruppo potrebbe essere in grado di rispondere e aiutare più di venti anni di ricerca.

Nel 1976, otto locomotori di scorrimento ferroviario britannico in eccesso partono dall'Inghilterra - Trieste, In due convogli.
Il primo convoglio trasportò le locomotive a scorrimento classe 03, numeri 03010,03098, 03153 e 03156.
Ho allegato una foto del secondo convoglio con le locomotive classe 07 07009 (275hp motore paxman, freno ad aria e vuoto montato) , classe 06 D2432, classe 03s 03157 & 03164 (204hp motore Gardner, freno a vuoto). In una zona di proprietà di una volta Acciaieria Ferriera Adriatica (A.F.A) Trieste banchine prese Febbraio 1977
Si ritiene che tutti i locali siano stati disattivati entro il 1984 tranne 03157 e 03164 che sono andati Chiari attraverso I.P.E. Locomotori, Verona.
Li ho fotografati nel 1997 in una fabbrica in disuso e mi è stato detto da un appassionato britannico che sono stati smantellati alcune settimane dopo.

Per quanto riguarda il destino delle altre sei locomotive, non è chiaro, non si conosce nulla, perché partono dall'Inghilterra non sono state viste le fotografie del primo convoglio.
Nel 2015 mi è stato inviato una foto di una locomotiva in colore blu a Ferramenta Pugliese, Terlizzi, Bari. (Foto allegata anche)
Creduto di essere 03156? Ma dove sono stati tutti questi anni e che esistono altri?

Qualcuno mi può aiutare con la mia ricerca che sto seguendo da oltre venticinque anni per favore? Oppure mi consiglia chi contattare come I.P.E. e Ferramenta Pugliese non hanno risposto.

Molte grazie in anticipo per il tuo aiuto !
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Mark Jones
Carnforth,
England.



Good evening Sirs,

I have a question that someone on the group forum may be able to answer and help over twenty years of research.

In 1976, eight surplus British Rail shunting locomotives departed England for Trieste, in two convoys.
The first convoy transported shunting locomotives class 03,numbers 03010, 03098, 03153 & 03156.
I have attached a photo of the second convoy with locomotives class 07 07009 (275hp paxman engine, air and vacuum brake fitted), class 06 D2432, class 03s 03157 & 03164 (204hp Gardner engine, vacuum brake). In an area once owned by Acciaieria Ferriera Adriatica (A.F.A) Trieste banchine taken February 1977
It is believed that all locos were disused by 1984 except 03157 & 03164 which went to Chiari via IPE Locomotori, Verona,
I photographed them in 1997 at a disused factory and I was told by a British enthusiast they were scrapped some weeks later.

As for the fate of the other six locomotives it is unclear, nothing is known, since they departed England no photographs have been seen of the first convoy.
In 2015 I was sent a photo of a locomotive in blue colour at Ferramenta Pugliese, Terlizzi, Bari. (Photo attached)
Believed to be 03156 ? But where has it been all of these years and do any others exist ?

Can anybody please help me with my research that I have been following for over twenty five years please ? Or advise me who to contact as IPE & Ferramenta Pugliese have not replied.


Many thanks in advance for your help !

Mark Jones
Carnforth,
England.

Hello Mark.

Very strange: some time ago I made a small research to understand if in Italy there was some ex-BR diesel loco.
I found several loco but with different serial numbers: I found 7 class 03 and one class 08.
I guess that your research will be very hard to do...

Anyway, why don't you drop a message to Mr Paolini, that manage one of the biggest Italian train photo website? Go on photorail.com, and on the lower right side of the homepage there is the link to contact page ("contatti", in Italian).
Look also inside the site, on the page dedicated to private owner...you'll find a picture of a class 03 D2232 in Lissone...the mystery grows up

Ciao
Antonio

http://www.photorail.com/phr1-leFS/imag ... lonato.jpg
http://www.photorail.com/phr1-leFS/imag ... tirone.jpg
What about these? They are from photorail, the site suggested by nanniag.
G.

Hi Guys,

Thank you for your replies.

The two photos above are of the convoy sold from Britain to Brescia in 1972.

I visited Brescia for a few days in 1996 & 1997 and took photographs of all the locomotives, I have put them on Flickr if you would like to have a look. my email address to search is: marco40101@yahoo.com

Also have a look at this website: https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/diesel ... sels/italy
It asks many questions about the British railways shunting locomotives and mentions D2232. It is thought that for many years it has not been realised that it was D2231 that went to Italy !

The identity of the class 08 is a mystery too, it could be one of 18 locomotives ! It is thought it worked for Atillio Rossi and was sold to Recuperi SRL ? The RCTS website has photos of this loco.

The locomotive at Terlizzi is a mystery as it has two air reservoir cylinders on each side instead of one on each side when in the UK - the same fitting as 03157 and 03164 had at Chiari, however the buffers are different also, they are not standard UK fittings and this makes me think this loco has been via IPE Locomotori at Verona - I will have to visit Terlizzi !

I have another missing locomotive that was believed to have been sold from the UK to Belgium for refurbishment then it was sold to an industrial user near Milan it was a large 0-6-0 class 14 650 hp Paxman engine numbered D9534. It was sold around 1976 along with D9505 to N.V.Sobermai, Maldegem. D9505 went to work at a sugar factory in North Belgium, I have photos of this loco in my Flickr albums. However no record, sightings or photographs have ever been seen of the loco that was supposed to have arrived in Milan ?

There are more questions than answers I'm afraid.

Thank you for telling me about the photorail site, I will start looking tonight !

Best wishes and good health !

Mark Jones

Hello Mark.

Some time ago i had found another article on mistery loco shipped to Italy. Maybe you are aware of it, but I post the link anyway just to put all of us on the same line

http://www.whatreallyhappenedtosteam.co ... y-2015.pdf

I have also a number of review "Modern locomotives" that describe the story of Class 03, 04 and 08. Inside, there is the complete list of all the loco, with the description of the last step of their life (scrapped, sold abroad, preserved...) if you want more details please tell me.

It has to be also said that up to some years ago (now it is different due to a new regulation), all the loco of private owner where controlled by FS personnel.
In a few words (and sorry for my poor English...) FS had one rolling stock division on each region: inside each of these division there was one structure that supervised the maintenance and the compliance of the rolling stock to the traffic regulation. Every loco where controlled every 30 months, and each check and modifications where noted into a internal book that is not public domain. So this book is the only document that describe the loco, and it was managed by FS.
Could also happened that some loco where sold without all the official documentation, or change the number after a heavy refurbishment.
So for these reasons your research is (in my opinion) hard.

Beat regards
Antonio

Hi Antonio,

Thank you for the article, I have seen it and I have exchanged emails with Peter Hall who wrote the article. He has written this article and if you "click" on the locomotive number all what is known of the their use in Italy, although it is not much.

Here is Peter Halls article with the RCTS with some pictures:
http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/diesels ... sels/italy


You are right it is a very hard to research for more than 20 years I have followed this, I do not know if I will find any answers to the Trieste locos. I have to contact Mr Paolini on photorail.com I think this would be my last chance to find the answers.


Here are my photos I took in 1996 & 1997 of class 03 & 04 shunters around Brescia and Chiari.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56665582@N05/albums

The locomotive at Lonato SpA D2289 is for sale, they did have D2295 but it was scrapped in 1982.

cheers !
Mark

Hi Mark.

On my forum also David "Spartan" has written some topics about UK locos.
Check some here:

http://smf.photorail.com/index.php?topic=17392.0
http://smf.photorail.com/index.php?topic=17729.0
http://smf.photorail.com/index.php?topi ... #msg101025
http://smf.photorail.com/index.php?topi ... #msg290739
http://smf.photorail.com/index.php?topic=11506.0

International collaboration!

Mark, i've checked your Flickr pics...since Trieste is my city, any chance to look at some more photos?

Paolini: the links listed above are not working...to you too?
Thanks
Antonio

Mark and Spartan are registered to the forum.

The photographs I have in my flickr album are only of Brescia and Chiari. the two locos at Chiari were originally BR 03157 and 03164.

These were two of the second convoy that went to Trieste (photo at the top of conversation) On 24.9.96 & 10.5.97 photographed at a disused works in Chiari, I do not know the name of it. You could see the locomotives from the passing train. 03157 is on the left and 03164 is on the right.

[quote="nanniag"]International collaboration!

This is good about the internet - railfans coming together !


Mark, i've checked your Flickr pics...since Trieste is my city, any chance to look at some more photos?

I wish I had photographs of the Trieste locos but sadly I do not